2006/11/29

sprogs, part 1: Will Howard's fact checking

[Submitted (elsewhere) on November 29, 2006 - 4:54pm.]

Q1: Will Howard, did you read all of the cited article? Did you note all the dates? Did you read any of the other stuff there?

From: 'Smoked herring is more like it' by Will Howard on November 23, 2006 - 11:35am:


What is the "illegitimate sprog" in support of which you claim I write? And what do you mean by "sprog" anyway?


From a post (elsewhere) by: Geoff Pahoff | Thursday, 05 October 2006 at 06:52


Will. I don't know the context but "sprog" is usually Australian slang for child. If it's Kendall or someone they sometimes refer to Israel as the "US's illegitimate sprog" or something similarly gross. Charming isn't it? And they censor me for calling him a "d******d". Or a "f****** d******"?


Q1a: : Will Howard, exactly why did you query me, re: 'sprog' - when you seem to have already been told? - And that a looong time ago?

From: 'Fact-checking' by Will Howard on November 29, 2006 - 3:17pm.


Bob Wall, "the question I was posing was.... was whether you do so [check facts before commenting] - and adequately. Do you?"


I do my best [my emphasis], Bob. As I have said before I don't always get it right, and if I don't I acknowledge that.


Q2: Just how good was your research on 'sprogs,' Will Howard?

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Phil's research (done in a flash! 0.29 secs long):

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 13 from webdiary.com.au for "illegitimate sprog". (0.29 secs)

1. The Middle East's Military Delusions | Webdiary - Founded and ...what is there to laugh about the US' cripple-illegitimate sprog Israel, cold-bloodedly mass-murdering innocent people, in order to steal those people's land ...

2. and so sayeth the abbott | Webdiary - Founded and Inspired by ...... aka the murderously thieving US or it's equally murderously thieving illegitimate sprog Israel, or perhaps UK or (our shame!) Australia - orders it. ...

3. How do we tell if there was a serious bomb plot? | Webdiary ...Hence your perceived 'bucketing' of Israel (more usually referred to by me as "the US' illegitimate sprog.") But however much Israel "copped a hiding" in ...

4. Agonies of a 'conspiracy theorist' | Webdiary - Founded and ...The other reasons may be some or all of: propping up (the US' illegitimate sprog) Israel, propping up the (next-to-worthless, irresponsibly over-printed) ...

5. Is All Fair In Love and War? | Webdiary - Founded and Inspired by ...The US, with its cripple-illegitimate sprog Israel have embarked on murder for ... operations of the US' illegitimate sprog Israel, and how the sympathy for ...

6. Aussie Islam & Howard’s cultural minstrels | Webdiary - Founded ...The legality (actually otherwise) of the US' adopted illegitimate sprog, Israel. 2. The legality (actually otherwise) of Israel's actions vis-à-vis a) the ...

 .. Oh, you could do it yourself (probably better before any next time)

(As for having the 'intestinal fortitude' to engage you, I have been trying to do so repeatedly, from an extremely well documented point in time and manner; know what I mean, Eds?)

2006/11/28

WD ethics

Over time and from my possibly defective recall, I have had two significant posts declined by WD, with possibly a 3rd post today delayed; the longer the delay the more certain the decline.

The 1st post was during a (still unresolved) dispute over a certain 'tanty.' Possibly now to be considered as 'water under the bridge,' the episode has not lost its disturbing character with age. (In plain text: justice was not just not seen to be done, it was not done at all - Oh, 'only' IMHO, as usual.)

But that was then and this is now; although WD may do what it wants - from 'Bringing up Baby': "Do what you want! (I know you will anyway)" - WD itself claims 'ethics,' i.e. here.

In particular, I draw your attention to this: "4. Be truthful. Don't invent 'facts'. If you're caught out, expect to be corrected in Webdiary". My comment: perfectly OK with me.

I'm under the impression that if a post is declined, one may call for an explanation; I do so now call, in respect to the two declined/delayed posts listed below[1]. The widely characterised as 'propagandistic' FoxNews employs a slogan something like 'We Report. You Decide.' By declining publication, WD does not allow its own audience a similar luxury.

My recently declined post and the one pending may be viewed 'in here.'

I thank you in advance for your (indubitably fair) consideration.

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[1] Post considered rejected (to Craig's Cease fire! 1599):

what are ya? (all his own words): ('in here' as sprog imbroglio; WD suppressed)
1st: on November 24, 2006 - 9:45pm.
final: on November 25, 2006 - 12:17pm.

Post possibly 'only' delayed:

propaganda ('in here' as propaganda; WD pending)
1st: on November 28, 2006 - 9:45am.
final: on November 28, 2006 - 11:57am.

propaganda; WD pending

To be 'perfectly honest' (but daaarlings, who isn't? - and herein lies this tale); the business of propaganda is to 'sell' lies.

The first 'by-product' of this is that each and every propagandist is by definition a liar. We can be 'perfectly clear' on this, there is no 'wiggle-room,' neither for evasion nor dissembling nor any other 'way out.'
[Web Results 1 - 2 of about 3 from en.wikipedia.org for "fall victim to a big lie". (0.36 secs)].

Long story short: propagandists are liars.

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After we 'assimilate' that nasty little nugget, what's next?

Well, y'gotta ask yourself: "Why?"

Why would anybody want to tell a lie, especially a big lie?

Certain people (including some lawyers) think it impresses audiences to quote Latin, so here is a bit: Cui bono?[1]

Haw, haw, haw! Silly question? Hardly; lies are only the first step towards criminality. It's a 'good' reason to be suspicious of any liar; it's generally accepted that liars lose all credibility (see the 'sprog' imbroglio here).

A corollary of 'Cui bono?' is Q: who suffers? A: the less powerful.

When it comes to telling lies, there is a particular lie (out of a galaxy of far too many, of course - a sad commentary on 'the human condition') that is considered serious enough to be deemed an offence in some jurisdictions: "Holocaust denial."

Here is a list of recent human 'achievements:'

1. Holocaust.

2. US A-bombings of Japan.

3. King David Hotel act of terrorism.

4. 1948 Arab-Israeli War[2].

5. Deir Yassin massacre.

6. Vietnam War.

7. My Lai massacre.

8. US (and UK, Aus) illegal invasion of Iraq.

9. Falluja (et al) massacres; the continuing brutal occupation of Iraq: murder for oil.

I am anti-war, full bloody stop. I do not think any of the above events improved the human condition; in fact the exact opposite. Quite obviously, wars are started by those who think they can win: as if "Might could be right." Well, daaarlings, it's just not.

Trying to keep this brief, I will supply only one 'factoid' to demonstrate murder for oil. Note a) that before the US (and UK, Aus) illegal invasion of Iraq, oil prices were, say, in the $US20s range. Now, b) the prices are in or about the $US60s. Some observers rail at OPEC, as if they were getting all the dough. Do some research for yourself and answer Q: which company recently posted the largest profit ever? The factoid has turned into a rather nasty fakt, no?

The list of items being denied/exploited by propagandists neither starts nor ends with the Holocaust; my own 'favourite' starting-point is the murdering A-bomb attacks, current and significant ones include the continuous scab-on-the-world Zionist murdering attacks on their neighbours, the US mass-murdering in Iraq to enable oil theft, and possibly the biggest ever, the feared CO2 induced climate catastrophe, aka the greedastrophe®.

Facit: "Holocaust deniers" are the tip of a very dirty iceberg. To any in this infamous group must be added 'deniers of murder for oil' and 'deniers of the greedastrophe.' They ort'a all be locked up (if not 'strung up,' but we (in Aus) don't 'do' capital punishment - although sometimes we 'outsource' it.)

If you, dear reader, have read through my Cui bono?[1] reference, you might appreciate just how far from the ideal both the US and Israel (and to a lesser but grovelling, psycophantic® extent the UK & Aus, thanks respectively to 'the poodle' and 'the lap-dog') have wandered.

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Refs:

[1] I love the way 'dictionary-serendipity' sometimes works, just as in here:
17 Cui bono?
To whose profit?
Pro Roscio Amerino ch. 84 and Pro Milone ch. 12, sect. 32, quoting L. Cassius Longinus Ravilla
18 Id quod est praestantissimum maximeque optabile omnibus sanis et bonis et beatis, cum dignitate otium.
The thing which is the most outstanding and chiefly to be desired by all healthy and good and well-off persons, is leisure with honour.
[The Oxford Dictionary of QUOTATIONS
Cicero (Marcus Tullius Cicero) 106–43 bc
Roman orator and statesman]

[2] As a result of the 1948 war, Israel controlled all the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan, much of the territory allotted to the Arabs ... [wiki]

Invading land which is not yours is the worst sort'a war you can have[3].

Again 'to be perfectly honest,' I don't care to argue 'who started it' vis-à-vis the Zionists. For me, it is 100% sufficient to say that the Zionists, after 60+ long and very bloody years, have failed to come to a peaceful settlement with their neighbours; it appears to this observer that the Israelis are occupying land-not-theirs, basta!

[3] To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.
[yale/Nuremberg]

2006/11/26

Where we are, and where I'd like us to go.

From 1st principles:

Who/what am I?

Nothing special; neither more nor less than any other person.

Each of us is born then nurtured to some ill-defined state of independence; we may prosper and/or procreate, and sooner or later we all die. That's it, finito!

Is there any point? Well, my answer to that is: it depends.

On the one hand we have the spiritualists[1] who maintain that what one sees is not all there is; they maintain that there's more to a human than atoms; that there exist (immaterial) spirits which can outlast our 'Earthly' existence. The key word here is 'belief;' spiritualists 'believe[2]' in something for which there can be no proof (always 'only' IMHO, of course). We know about conception; sperm meets egg. We know about life, crap and corruption; the dead body decays or is cremated. There's nothing but inanimate atoms left over - except (perhaps!) for the spiritualists' immaterial 'something;' for such believers, the life they see may be preparation for 'something beyond' (or so I've heard they hope.) I am not one of these believers.

On the other hand (if we ain't got 'enduring, immaterial spirits'), whadda we got? Let's ask a typical cow, grazing on a lush-green Swiss alp (with a magnificent view; must be like being near Hans&Gerda's): "Moo!"

(You might think that asking a cow for the secret of life is a bit facile, but they enjoy an almost unbeatable advantage: they are in no way encumbered by any fake belief whatsoever. And they are totally innocent; who then better to ask? OK, the language is a bit hairy...)

My interpretation (and here thanks partly to Harvie Krumpet's statue-avatar); "Carpe diem! (Seize the day!)" - in plain text, enjoy every moment. We got here either partly or wholly by evolution starting out from some puddle of dirty water, whether we're all headed for individual and utter oblivion (my tip) or the spiritualists' something else is IMHO toadally® moot; it behoves us all to do our best - and to enjoy every moment of this life 'to the max.'

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Running ahead of my story a bit, I have my own store of accumulated experience, from this I select 'valid/useful' constructs from the dross. I have so notionally constructed an own 'book of knowledge,' to which I've given the title 'Bringing up Baby.' One may make hay while the sun shines, but when one 'causes' a new life to begin, one takes on certain responsibilities.

From 'Bringing up Baby':

"Think!"

(OK, it's not mine, but it's not 'owned' by any 3rd either.)

"Start as you mean to go on."

"(Try to) get it right the first time!"

This last can be difficult; some people only seem able to learn by making mistakes. A slightly more benign form of this is "Learning by doing."

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Early experience can leave the most indelible marks (and I do have a particular instance in mind), but do you remember the days of the old school yard? Did you meet there a liar, a petty thief - or a bully? Probably - or worse; you might'a been one or more of those. Here one must pause and ask: when does 'morality' kick in? (Tip: "Start as you mean to go on.")

We come to our 1st 'hinge-point,' also from 'Bringing up Baby': "Do no harm."

There is absolute validity in "0s and 1s," i.e. binary choices. Of course, life is not all 'black and white' but we can (and I occasionally do) make some 'non-nuanced' statements, and here is one: there is a difference between 'right' and 'wrong;' most people are aware of the difference, but some choose to be bad anyway.

Another thing. Associated with spiritualists comes (more or less) organised religion. I believe[2] both are on balance bad things (IMHO just superstitious nonsense); the 1st deriving from the fear of individual death and the 2nd preying (Haw!) on such fear; both can and often do lead to - shall we say 'aberrant?' - behaviour, or at least more negative than positive results. But the world is steeped in such spiritualists and religions, and what I'm aiming at here are 'the (Judeo-Christian) 10 commandments.' Other religions may have similar; if so I'm not aware of it and for my purpose here I don't need to be.

The point here is a formal system outlining an acceptable morality; I have developed my own to be independent of any religion. Ta ra!

The 'chezPhil morality'[3].

In a nutshell, it is wrong to lie, cheat, steal or murder.

If you have read it through, you might appreciate that it is based on self-interest, but it implies good news for 3rd parties. Following my morality would enable co-existing altruism and selfishness - not too bad, eh?

Here comes the particular instance mentioned earlier; when a sprog hears his/her first lie. Morally, life can be 'all down-hill' from there - unless the ground has been well-prepared, that is. There is (IMHO) an 'age of reason,' before which humans are (all too!) vulnerable to corruption. If a child remains protected during this time, s/he can grow to be 'normal,' if injured then (failing remedial action) most likely not. These ideas are better discussed in Thomas A. Harris "I'm OK - You're OK" - anyone who doesn't have this book should get it and read it ASAP. But: if a child hears his/her 1st (deliberate!) lie from a parent (or 'prime carer'), s/he may very well 'fall apart' inside - it's that serious. As an aside here (but nevertheless of primary importance), no person before his/her own personal 'age of reason' should ever be 'loaded up' with any spiritualism/religious stuff. None at all until then (and better never); basta!

IMHO, most people know the difference between what's right and wrong, the problems all start when some, and it only takes a small few, ignore it.

Now, if 'simple' immorality was to be our only problem, we'd be relatively well off (one might'a thunk), but it's nothing like simple and not at all small-scale either; it's massive crime up to and including mass-murder, an' that for spoil. The prime example is the US' illegal invasion of Iraq (murder for oil) but similarly, the US 'conquest' of Afghanistan, and that 60-year long running, open-scab-sore on the Earth that is Israel - murder for land, wardah®. But don't get me wrong here: it's not 'the wo/man in the street' who's the problem, it's those ordering (and doing) the killings. Other wars in the last 60 or so years probably qualify as crimes too (i.e. Vietnam), but these recent ones incl. Israel are topical.

We in Aus are relatively well protected from knowledge of these crimes; our media (papers, radio, TV) do not give us all the truth; an fact far from it. Hence the modern characterisation of the '4th Estate' (incl. big bits'a the AusBC; boo! Hiss!) as the venal MSM. More of the multitudinous crimes we are not being made aware of are the massive rip-offs occurring in the resource (mining incl. oil) sector. Pure and simple, the mining entities are not paying us, we the people, our fair share. Through the process known as 'resource rent,' the mining entities retain the lion's share of mining proceeds (essentially pocketing the lot) - instead of paying us fair royalties. What the country gets out'a the mining boom is basically only the wages paid, some pitifully small licence-type fees and some company tax. Globalisation and commerce in general will get a mention later; it's enough here to say that we are caught up in a mean trickle-down scam full of dreadful consequences.

Whereas once it might'a been enough to wallow oblivious in this trickle-down (all the while being anaesthetised by 'cheap' baubles such as flat-screen TVs and/or iPods etc), there are two catastrophic barriers approaching; a) the limits of certain resources (if nothing else then land, wardah® - i.e. nourishment and a liveable environment), and 'the biggie,' the feared climate catastrophe, aka the greedastrophe®.

Although it is hardly 'big news,' the gross violations of moral rules are leading our world astray; such violations are the cause of almost every misery - and our whole world, daaarlings, is going down the greedastrophe® tubes; we have to do better. Stop the rip-offs, stop the killings: no war!

¡No more of the same!

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Refs:

[1] spiritualism n. belief in, and supposed practice of, communication with the dead, esp. through mediums.  spiritualist n. spiritualistic adj. [POD]

[2] Speaking for myself, when I write 'I believe' something, I will be using it as on balance, the sum of my (or others') experience supports this something - i.e. based on 'real-world' evidence (as opposed to airy-fairy nothing but wishes).

believe v. (-ving) 1 accept as true or as conveying the truth (I believe it; don't believe him). 2 think, suppose. 3 (foll. by in) a have faith in the existence of (believes in God). b have confidence in (believes in homoeopathy). c have trust in as a policy (believes in telling the truth). 4 have (esp. religious) faith.  believable adj. believer n. [Old English] [ibid.]

[3] The 'chezPhil morality' is entirely based on "Do unto others..."

One only has to ask: would you wish to be lied to, cheated, stolen from or murdered? Then for 'you' substitute 'yours', 'a neighbour', 'some person far away'?

Then, the chezPhil principle of proportionality is based on the mathematical idea of induction (if for the first; and if for one and so the next, then so for the entire multitude); acceptable morality 'scales' from individuals to nations and thus to the world.

And to tie this off quite neatly, the chezPhil morality folds into the great Aussie "Fair go, ya mug!"

A corollary:

...be free, be whatever you are, do whatever you want to do, just so long as you don't hurt anybody.

[HAÎR]

Elucidation (spelled out for the slower amongst us); the 'basic' crimes:

Lying, cheating, theft and/or murder.

Addendum: "Each individual is solely responsible for his/her own actions," i.e. constructs like 'Look what you made me do!' are invalid. (cf. 'Bringing up Baby')

Let's face it; it's not too hard but it is pretty-well all-encompassing. All we need to do is (fairly!) implement it; any enforcing would be minimised by correct and timely instruction (cf. 'Bringing up Baby').

2006/11/25

sprog imbroglio; WD suppressed

what are ya? (all his own words):_1599


Will Howard on November 23, 2006 - 2:13pm:

"I am neither ignorant nor deceitful"

Oh, really?

From 'Smoked herring is more like it' by Will Howard on November 23, 2006 - 11:35am:


What is the "illegitimate sprog" in support of which you claim I write? And what do you mean by "sprog" anyway? The definitions I've seen are "new military recruit" and "child" or "offspring."


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Well, let's have a look here:

k-str-going-nowhere,WH_proof

Kindly note the dates.

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Sooo, now we know a bit more... eh, matey?

An Aussie, you say? Who either doesn't know the lingo (ignorant) or plays dumb on what he does know (deceitful); so what else doesn't he know or acknowledge?

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Let's go back a bit:

From 'Respect vs. Contempt' by Will Howard on November 19, 2006 - 9:11am:


"[a] characterisation of US action as 'murder-for-oil' is a questionable if not completely false premise..."


Well, pardon me Will Howard, but you can't just negate [such a] premise without proof - that'd be a bit 'unscientific,' eh? Easy enough to say any old rubbish, but can't back it up: all fluff and no stuff?

That's the order of business as I see it. Will Howard made the above radical assertion over 5 days ago now, but so far has made absolutely no attempt at justifying it. Why not? When?

New addition: 'Murder-for-Oil-denier' may not have quite the same cachet as 'Holocaust-denier,' but with 50mio people's lives (Afghanistan + Iraq) having been turned to a living (when not actually being non-legally slaughtered) Hell, with 1/2mio kids copping it to Albright's OK, 655,000 'excess deaths' in Iraq since the illegal invasion - could be upwards of 2mio on the US' account since '91; 'Murder-for-Oil' is certainly getting there. Ditto for the Israel murder-for-spoil (land, wardah®). And this is now, i.e. 60 or so years on - we are supposed to know better? People like WH obviously do not.

Oh, and a real Aussie would well understand "What are ya?"